What do you think about beauty?

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Post 1 by AgateRain (Believe it or not, everything on me and about me is real!) on Sunday, 30-May-2010 23:48:51

Okay, so a friend and I were just having a discussion about if beauty is important or not. I know all of us here is blind so what does it matter, but if someone told you were ugly would you believe what they say, think your beautiful either way it goes because deep inside we all have something beautiful about us or would you try to improve yourself and just have to look good. See, me myself think I have to look good. Even though I know I'm beautiful in some way, but I will be hurt knowing people look at me in a bad way and think that I live a bad life style or just someone that look nasty to the sighted eye. Anyways I'm curious so give me your thoughts.

Post 2 by illumination (Darkness is history.) on Sunday, 30-May-2010 23:54:32

Beauty should not even be in the vocabulary of a person, but it's unfortunte that it is. If you get a boyfriend/girlfriend, I think you should look at personality, rather than beauty.

Post 3 by Sword of Sapphire (Whether you agree with my opinion or not, you're still gonna read it!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 0:19:53

But then Michael, there is even beauty of personality. You've seen the people who act ugly: telling other people off when easily offended, talking about people behind their back so rudely, swearing four times each sentence--that's all ugly, and you can continue the list. Beautiful personalities are those who are confident, generous, caring, and so on. No, physical beauty should not matter, but it does. And everyone should try to look at least presentable. We shouldn't walk out the house looking like we've never seen a hair brush or toothbrush. Neither should we walk out with trashy-looking clothes on either, but people have different definitions of what's trashy.
I think a part of beauty is possessing qualities other people want such as nice lips, skin color, hair-length, or so on.
Though bbeauty of personality does matter, it doesn't matter as much as physical beauty. Naturally good-looking people seem to get away with more and get more opportunities thrown at them.

Post 4 by AgateRain (Believe it or not, everything on me and about me is real!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 1:20:10

Okay, thanks for the thoughts. That's exactly what I was trying to explain to the person I was talking too.

Post 5 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 31-May-2010 8:39:19

I agree about looking presentable and not trashy. However, I don't see the need, in most cases, to overdo it. People who are so superficial that they can't go out because they've got a wrinkle in their trousers or because a few hairs are out of place (not horrible just not absolutely perfect) and who must wear designer clothing annoy me to no end.

Post 6 by Thunderstorm (HotIndian!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 9:29:35

I personally feel cleanliness is beauty.

good looking clothes,

a good smile,

good behaviour,

well washed soft smooth silky hair,

and etc etc.

will surely give you a beauty.

I meant the behaviour because there are many blind people are having bad habits such as biting the nails, putting their thumb on their eyes, scratching their head often. and so on. and they do that even in publick. If we avoid such things, the sighty world will never look at us as a different object. hmmm?

Just a thought.

Raaj.

Post 7 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 11:31:20

Physical beauty is great. If someone has more than I do, God bless 'em.

However most of my platonic friends have been guys, and eventually they reveal some of this stuff w/o me commenting or asking, so they have told me it may get a woman's foot in the door, but if they show that's all they have to offer, it won't keep 'em there.

In one of the mens' columns, I read about a young man who was wild about supermodel Christy Brinkley. His opinion of her shot to the ground when she made a totally inane comment about how a light should come on a football player's helmet so she knew which side had the ball or something like that. While the late Farrah Fawcett commented years ago on how men could relate to beauty more than brains, eventually she developed more of herself so that she was actually a quality serious actress. She herself was no dummy, having been close to a degree in microbiology before switching her major to performing arts, and was supposed to have been very polite to her young fans in particular. She turned out to be an interesting lady, whereas recently Ms. Brinkley and her daughter just went for mother/daughter plastic surgery together. Oh boy isn't that special?! Ho hum, snoooooorrrrre..........

Post 8 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 31-May-2010 12:22:30

Good points Raajy! Clenliness is among my top things for myself and for anyone who wishes to be around me in any capacity. If someone stinks, because they purposefully didn't wash, I don't want to be near them. Blindisms are certainly not a good thing. They make us look strange and not in a good way. People don't immediately know that I'm blind unless they see my cane and I'm a total. Of course, I don't have trouble discussing it but I don't want that to be the first thing they notice.

Post 9 by Grace (I've now got the ggold prolific poster award! wahoo! well done to me!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 12:44:10

To me personally there was such a tremendous
depth of character shown by Farrah Fawcett
during the period of time of her last year or so of life.
She had developed cancer and at first did not desire that
anyone know of her medical conditions.

The tabloids got news of it, and proceeded to exploit her.
Then she got angry and finally came to the realization
that she rather than the media would present her case in
a manner public and this by having herself and various medical
procedures videotaped...

Her friend she had to do the filming and when Farrah
became so deathly ill, unable to keep anything down,
with her head balding from the medical treatments and
her friend went to shut the video down, Farrah rather gave
her to know that the filming was to continue throughout
this entire process that she was going through.

At her absolute worst Farrah's depth of character
was given to shine through.
In the midst of deepest struggle love was shown forth
by her lonegtime companion and too
her need to reach her son who was going through his own
struggles with all of this as well as his addictions, etc...
When at one point when she was nearing the end, her son
was granted a few moments to visit his mom,
though in chains he came for he was a ward of the jail system
at that time...

A situation that gives cause to give thotful consideration
A person may have or had all the beauty outwardly
by standards of the world
and yet
this is no shield from the harshest realities that can beset life.
Farrah may have reached to that point of beauty lost
by the world's standards and yet...
Beauty totally shown forth by her manner of living
while in that very real place of dying.

Post 10 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 31-May-2010 12:48:55

I think people should do what they can to look presentable, but be confident about your beauty as well.

Post 11 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 31-May-2010 12:54:19

What a truly beautiful and inspirational post, Grace! I don't know much about actors or actresses, so can't comment on Farrah Fawcett, but she sounds like a totally amazing woman. I hope that her son was able to learn from her and change his life. Yes, that is true beauty, when you're able to have true friends who will help you through anything and when you're unafraid and know who you are and on't care if others know it too.

Post 12 by AgateRain (Believe it or not, everything on me and about me is real!) on Monday, 31-May-2010 23:51:34

Aw, sweet nice post there.
See, she was going on about how she didn't care. Yes, I get it you shouldn't think how others look at you, but at least make yourself look good in some way. Not just look horrible.

Post 13 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Tuesday, 01-Jun-2010 11:28:09

Presentability is something all of us can easily achieve...But, beauty (to the eye) is either there or it isn't. I don't believe in plastic surgery that is unnecessary, I don't believe physical beauty is the only thing in life; there should be so much more... :) I'm very lucky. My husband tells me I'm beautiful almost every day, and I love it; whether the rest of the world sees it or not. On another note, I chose my husband because of who he is and what we have in common, but I don't know how many times women have told me I'm very lucky because he's absolutely gorgious...Just goes to show that you can have both, but if you look just for beauty your likely to just get beauty. :)

Post 14 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Tuesday, 01-Jun-2010 14:54:48

Another thought on this subject before I have to go...beautiful people may have more opportunities given to them, but some, if you know them and their lives, have the saddest stories to tell. Perhaps it's not so bad to be average looking and blend in the crowd.

I heard a name called in middle school, at roll call, didn't get to meet her until maybe three years later. She was a bit taller than spongebob here's "5'3', and got to do some modeling. This girl was very nice, but about two years before I got to meet her she had to be sent to a therapist to stop blaming herself for her boyfriend's violent suicide at 15.

The late Selena was beautiful in much the same way as the late Farrah Fawcett, strangely enough also from Corpus Cristi. Turns out being on the road a lot left her kind of lonely, not to mention she had a deranged business manager who literally was the end of her life. Also with Ms Fawcett, she was physically and in other ways beautiful, but she had a big family history of cancer, having lost her mom and one sister to it, a son who was involved with narcotics with his dad, and apparently was a magnet for abusive relationships. Turns out she had totally cut former bf Ryan O'Neil from her will, had a secret boyfriend she wanted to have much of her estate, yet was kept by RON from spending her last days with whoever this man was. Also back in the '90's she was brutalized by a producer whose marriage proposal she rejected. Some folks have sad lives beyond the surface. Gotta go now...

Post 15 by illumination (Darkness is history.) on Tuesday, 01-Jun-2010 16:40:48

Well, what I meant in my post was exactly what you guys are saying. I didn't say they didn't have to look presentable for people to like you because you do. What I said was that they may look ugly to some people, but pretty to others, and that's fine. But personality matters more than looks.

Post 16 by Pure love (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Tuesday, 01-Jun-2010 18:57:31

My parents often said I@m too fat, I'm too fat to get a job or a bf or whatever. So I always felt ugly. But I am at the moment on a journey to accept myself, and I realize now that I am beautiful. So, for me, beauty is somewhat important, but there is inner beauty, and I think that's the most important. However, unfortunately the sighted world, for example employers, want you to look really pretty, and so in a way it is important but you mustn't panic about beauty, otherwise you'll be insecure all the time.

Post 17 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Wednesday, 02-Jun-2010 13:51:36

To me, inner beauty is crutial, because that's what those closest to you will see. Outer beauty is more of a representative thing. That being said, I agree with those who say that looking presentable when you go out is enough to fulfill the necessary part of outer beauty. The only reason I think you need this is because it seems to be one of the unspoken secrets to success in a job interview. Those who base their friendship choices mainly on outer beauty will not be any of my friends.

Post 18 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Wednesday, 02-Jun-2010 22:32:58

Presentability is more than for the interview. I'm sorry, but I can't handle bad B.O. Oh, I will deal if it's a medical issue, but if someone has bad B.O. just because they don't wanta take the time...Sorry, but I'm not subjecting my stomach to something that is completely unnecessary, and unhealthy too.

Post 19 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Thursday, 03-Jun-2010 9:43:48

Well, that one's understandable. I just mean...what does it matter if you wear sweat pants for comfort, and what does it matter if you have a few fly-away hairs on your head? My thinking is, if it doesn't physically or emotionally bother you, deal with it. I can see how body odor or bad breath would, but sweat pants and fly-away hairs? I'd love to hear people's reasons if they have any.

Post 20 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Friday, 04-Jun-2010 3:06:57

LOL, I'm a sweat pants kinda girl unless the empression is super important to me...Job interview, family get together (and even sometimes then depends on mood), going out with my husband, etc. :) They're a hell of a lot more comfortable. :)

Post 21 by season (the invisible soul) on Friday, 04-Jun-2010 8:36:04

guess the question here is what determine beauty and what is acceptable if that person is not "beauty"

i'm someone who believe in inner beauty, but at the same time i believe one must be presentable in all time. this include to have proper personal hygiene, from the way we handle ourselve to the way we handle our living space and food etc etc.

nothing can be more turn off than be near to a person who stink because that person didn't bath for days, waring unwatched clothes for weeks.

in someway, i suppose i can understand if that person have some sort of disability where they can't take care of themselves properly and include hygiene, which they might depends on others, but however, the excuse as to the person is blind, is not a good one at any circumstances.

as far as dressing up goes, i'm someone who pretty much wear for confort, but yet presentable and smart. not really a big fan of make up, however, i do believe that, in some circumstances, wearing make up is a polite manner and a way of respecting others.

Post 22 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 04-Jun-2010 13:19:08

Interesting views on makeup. Personally, I never wear it, no matter where I go. I'm also not into skirts or dresses, though I will wear shorts. If I'm going formal, I'll wear a suit, and for extra formality, I'll include a tie. Normally, I dress for comfort but wouldn't go out in mismatched clothing or something that I'd consider simply houseware i.e. stained or just not suitable for public appearances. But I don't mind going out in jeans. Sweats are usually reserved for the home, though I'll wear them for going to the store or something.

Post 23 by blw1978 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 04-Jun-2010 17:37:42

Hi, I think beauty is important. While I don't pick my friends based upon how they look, I am happy when my friends, especially those with kids, take the time to do something special for themselves like get their hair colored or buy a new outfit. Simply because, moms in particular spend a lot of time taking care of their kids, and they deserve to look nice. Same goes for dads. I apreciate it when a close girl friend (or guy friend), gives me a compliment. Not as a self-esteem booster, but as a way to let me know I look presentable as a blind woman. I love getting my hair done (have an appointment tomorrow). I also like clothes and makeup, but don't buy super high end brands, simply cause fashions change, and why pay big bucks for something that's gonna be finished in a year's time. Of course, I might make an exception for an investment piece such as a nice suit, or jacket, that I can wear year after year. I believe inner beauty is important, but I always try to look my best, save for skipping makeup at work, cause I didn't have time to put it on. If inner beauty was all that mattered, people would walk around looking like total slobs. I do think our society puts too much emphasis on beauty, but there's nothing wrong with looking beautiful, as long as your perspectives about beauty are kept in check, and you don't use your beauty as a way to dominate others. Honestly, I like being told I'm cute, but again, it's not a self-esteem issue, I have plenty of that. I think a good mix of inner beauty and outer beauty is great.

Post 24 by radiant allure (Newborn Zoner) on Sunday, 06-Jun-2010 4:24:12

I truly think beauty is completely subjective unless you let the programming of the culture control your views. I think that this culture looks at beauty with an extremely rigid perspective. For women if you are not stick thin, with a flawless complection, big breasts, and a good tan you are not considered attractive. For men, if you are not tall, dark, muscular, with ruggid looks then you are not handsome. I think these specific guidelines are rediculously closed minded and boring. It leaves out so many people who are beautiful in their own special way. I would think that being unique and singular would be much more preferable than being like a paper doll among all of the other paper dolls.

Post 25 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Sunday, 06-Jun-2010 19:09:18

Agreed, and the ideal woman is completely with out health considerations...I'd rather be a few pounds over weight (which I am) or that much under weight...That's just out right unhealthy for any aspect of the human anatomy

Post 26 by blw1978 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 06-Jun-2010 23:20:18

Okay, to women in particular, what's your favorite thing that makes you feel beautiful. Shopping, makeup Etc? I love getting my hair colored, like I mentioned before. But whatever it is, I think every woman deserves to do something which makes her feel beautiful! This could even be working out, or just hanging out with a great group of friends. I was talking to my friend Rose, and I think every woman should do something at least once in awhile just for herself. I love to take a nice hot shower with my favorite shower products, slip into my favorite PJs, and put on some nice soft music and have some me time with no distractions. .

Post 27 by Queen Latina (Zone BBS is my Life) on Monday, 07-Jun-2010 2:07:12

hmmm, I'm surprised that out of all people, Lakeria's the one that put up this board post. :D

Personally, I agree with pretty much all the posts on this board. People shouldn't be judged by how they look, beauty.. in my opinion, is found in the heart, the personality of the person, etc etc.

But, I also won't lie by saying that I'm a total hippy and say that's all I look for in someone.

I mean, I think that even though beauty is found in someone's personality, you can't blame someone for also liking someone else for.. there actual looks.

Hence, I also agree that even if your not "beautiful" according to someone, you should at least try and look respectable, like someone already mentioned on here.


Okay, my... I'd call it ranting, but it isn't, is over. :)

Post 28 by radiant allure (Newborn Zoner) on Monday, 07-Jun-2010 4:12:00

I also take a nice hot bubble bath and then slide into slinky pajamas to feel sexy. Sometimes going out to a nice restaurant or club with friends while whering dressy clothes can definitely make me feel quite hot as well.

Post 29 by blw1978 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 07-Jun-2010 12:55:00

Yes, clothes are a big one for me as well. I'm not superdressy, but like to wear nice clothes to church, or to a party or out with friends, unless it's our fave local bar, then everyone dresses pretty casually. I think one's friends can definitely impact how a person feels about themselves. Especially for girls.

Post 30 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 07-Jun-2010 14:05:37

I'd much rather be told that I have good personality traits than I'm beautiful, although I do like that too. Personality and inner beauty matters more to me than outer beauty. If people can't look passed my straight, natural hair and my lack of make-up to see what I like to think of as the real me, I'd rather not associate with them. Having said that, I think outer beauty is a good way to represent the real you. If outer beauty is important to you, I would encourage you to look in such a way that best represents you, not how society says you should look. If that includes wearing make-up and fancy clothing, that's totally fine, but don't criticise those who think differently.

Post 31 by turricane (happiness and change are choices ) on Tuesday, 08-Jun-2010 14:01:59

sophia lauren, who was purported at one time to be the most beautiful woman in the world put it best. "a beautiful woman is one who can accept herself as she is. Her flaws give her character not insecurity."

Post 32 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 08-Jun-2010 16:14:50

We all have flaws, both physically and intelectually. That doesn't make us an ugly person, as long as you are willing to acknowledge, accept, and when necessary, work on those flaws.

Post 33 by dissonance (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Friday, 18-Jun-2010 2:41:49

This has always been a sensitive subject for me because I think that the media emphasizes a very false and unrealistic view of beauty. Inner beauty is of course most important, but also being presentable is important.

Post 34 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 18-Jun-2010 17:16:02

Having been blind all my life, I must say this. Society's idea of beauty just doesn't mean much to me, as it seems to avhe to do with things only detectable by the eye. Things like certain hair or eye colors and such. These days I'm one of those ornary sorts who does not believe society is always right just because it exists. Society believes in many silly things just because there are enough people who will just play along and not ask questions. Hahahaha!

Post 35 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 18-Jun-2010 17:43:53

got clothing dating back 40 years or more, some much newer and some downright new. As long as it's in good condition and comfortable, I'll wear it. I never pay attention to fashion trends. I also can't say that my friends influence how I dress or think about myself. They either accept me or they don't. That doesn't mean that I'd go looking like an idiot or wear something totally offensive if I were going to the home of someone conservative. It just means that no one can mould me but me. I can't say that I've ever done something just to make myself feel beautiful. But I do enjoy dressing in patriotic clothing or even my army jacket with matching attire when I can. I also like dressing formal when it's appropriate.

Post 36 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Saturday, 19-Jun-2010 13:43:27

Of course, I have no problem dressing for the occasion, but that's not how I choose my friends, and if you want to judge me just by how I appear to the eye, that's your decision. I make sure I'm clean and presentable as I see fit, and that's all I can do. If I want somebody's opinion, I'll ask for it. Otherwise, I go by my own standards.

Post 37 by CrazyCapricorn (I lost my conscience! Anyone seen it?) on Thursday, 30-Dec-2010 23:54:38

To me, personality matters more than external beauty; at the same time, I'm pretty sure noone wants to be told "you're ugly", or anything like that. I do my best to look good as much as possible, but like you said at some point or another; I can't exactly remember when, you're beautiful as long as you think you are...Anyway, coming from someone with some sight, I couldn't imagine my reaction to constently being told my appearance to the sighted is "disgusting", which is why like I said, I care about my outer beauty, but not to the point where it rules my life. xD And while I might care about it to some degree, I strongly dislike people who are extremely judgmental by looks...

Post 38 by contradiction (aww, I always knew my opinion mattered to you!) on Friday, 31-Dec-2010 8:39:39

well said, ashley. it's the personallity that has always counted; if people say i'm ugly, im fine with it. i might be hurt a little bit, but as i always say, beauty is in the eyes of the diluted idiot. :d

Post 39 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Friday, 31-Dec-2010 20:16:20

Ok, here goes my musings on this topic. I have been known to be a bit shallow. I know I am beautiful, but i think part of my beauty comes from my confidence and my personality. For instance, if you like someone enough by their personality, they will look better to you than they do to others, it's just something psychological. And, being partially sighted myself, I know that confidence adds a glow to a person not found in those who are not confident. There is someone out there for everyone, so, someone will find anyone beautiful no matter how they look. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder afterall. And, beauty cannot be attributed to just personality, or just physical. I think it is ultimately a combination of both. Like for me, a person who knows they are beautiful, has confidence, is comfortable with their selves despite what others say, and has the personality too, is beautiful. I am a tad shallow. If i look at someone and think they are ugly or unattractive physically, it diminishes their chances greatly. I am not saying I need a guy who looks like a Greek god, but they have to be decent at least by my standards. So, I do judge on looks if i am thinking of a relationship, but that is me. Think it wrong, think it alright, either way, it is me and i am perfectly happy with my way of thinking.

Post 40 by synthesizer101 (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 31-Dec-2010 20:53:10

I think you have to look good in the normal ways (looking decent, clean, etc.), but beyond that, beauty doesn't matter that much to me. I'd still try to make myself look better, though.

Post 41 by contradiction (aww, I always knew my opinion mattered to you!) on Sunday, 02-Jan-2011 2:54:36

lol kayla, thought stealer. :p. i don't know about the sighted part, but hey, i learn something new i guess. i know my confidence gives me a better look to others and helps me too, and yeah, exactly. there's someone out there for all of us. well said. i know i just totally repeated you lol.

Post 42 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Sunday, 02-Jan-2011 3:04:21

lol i guess u are allowed to repeat me because u r minny me.

Post 43 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 03-Jan-2011 9:37:04

I find myself judging people based on how they come across. For example, if someone goes on and on about the perfect five foot five, 100 pound body with the perfect hair, perfect makeup, perfect smell, perfect shoes, ETC., then I would expect them to have all that, but if a person just expects people to be clean and presentable, then that's all I expect of them. As for myself, I agree with Synthesizer101 that i like to be clean, and *presentable*. I may not be model beautiful to the average on-looker, but those who know me well see my true beauty. As long as I'm presentable enough to myself, and to those who care about me, that's enough for me.

Post 44 by Voyager (I just keep on posting!) on Tuesday, 04-Jan-2011 20:07:06

Being totally blind from birth, I am not certain I fully understand the concept, since I cannot imagine peering through sighted eyes at features which cannot be felt and thinking them beautiful. I know how to be clean and presentable for a job interview, but that, I believe is a separate concept which can be learned through logic and memorization. Order must be beauty. If I can understand how the small parts of something combine to make that system work, then I suppose that feeling which causes me to pause and enjoy the experience is akin to beauty. In other words, it's not just the smell of the roses, but my learning just what enables them to produce the scent that makes me appreciate them even more. However, I cannot think of things I do for myself which make me feel beautiful. I exercise to feel strong, eat to feel full, learn to feel smart, etc. Since I am female, and many people, including some in this thread, have stated that this feeling of beauty holds special significance for women/girls, then it seems I am missing something. All well.

Post 45 by CrazyCapricorn (I lost my conscience! Anyone seen it?) on Wednesday, 05-Jan-2011 23:07:28

lol Dannie...

Kayla, I kinda agree with you; confidence makes one's beauty seem greater to them, and noone wants an unattractive partner in a relationship, which is why tipically, I myself would look for some with outer decency, but what I meant by people who are constently "Judgmental by looks", is people who will act in a sort of grade-school manner, and just look at someone and say/think something along the lines of "I'm not gonna even try to asociate with you cuz you don't look pretty enough."...yeah, that agrivates me. Like I said, tipically, noone wants to date someone who doesn't look so attractive, but not wanting anything to do with someone (not even wanting to asociate with them at all) just because of their looks, seems a bit close-minded. To me, judging by looks as far as a relationship goes (not that it's the nicest thing either, but...), is on a totally different hand than just simpply disasociating myself from someone for that reason... Sometimes, I consider completely non-sighted folks a bit lucky, cuz stereo typically, ugly people are usually the nicer ones. :d lol And a person with no sight most likely wouldn't care about their partner's outer beauty, except of course hygiene and whatnot...they would only really care about the enter beauty...
And Jess, I agree with your post...

Post 46 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Thursday, 06-Jan-2011 8:50:50

I used to be able to see as a kid, but I don't remember really paying much attention to how people looked; maybe I couldn't see well enough for that or was more interested in looking at other things. But anyway, I do like to know how others look and find some qualities of that more attractive than others, but I think everyone does that. As for total beauty, I think good hygene and/or attractive personality traits are what most make a person beautiful to me. I know physically, I see good hygene, matching clothes, and how I feel with what I'm wearing as what makes me feel beautiful. Of course, it never feels good to be told your ugly or otherwise unattractive, and it always does to be told you're beautiful, but I try not to care about that lately and just go on what I feel comfortable waring (as long as it makes sense for the occasion I'm dressing for.) I don't like getting really dressed up unless it calls for dressing formal, and I rarely wear make-up and don't like jewlry much either, but I won't go out casually in faded, torn, or mismatched clothes either. But a lot of what's commonly out there like sleeveless, low-cut, decorated clothes, etc., some of which I've been told I'd look nice in, I'm not into; I like long dresses or t-shirt/buttondown shirt and jeans/pants. If I was made to ware a low-cut or sleeveless shirt and pants with weird designs or something, I don't think I'd feel beautiful even if I was told that more often when wearing those clothes, because I personally wouldn't feel good wearing them.

Post 47 by CrystalSapphire (Uzuri uongo ndani) on Thursday, 06-Jan-2011 9:09:20

you need to look presentable, but honestly I don't care what others think of me. I know who I am and my friends do. I dress how I want, but I'm clean, and presentable. If someone doesn't like how i keep my hair or the way i do this or that, and the clothes i wear well that's their problem.

Post 48 by blw1978 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 06-Jan-2011 21:44:16

I'm probably in the minority here, but as a blind woman, I really do care what guys look like. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do. Nothing makes me feel more unattractive than not getting my hair done as often as I should, or feeling like I'm in a style rut.

Post 49 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 8:05:28

If i were to lose my sight today, i would still care about what someone looks like if i am dating them. I would ask someone to describe them to me. I don't think its rong to care about what someone looks like to a certain degree. It should be a bonus not a determining feature of any sort of relationship. For instance, if i were dating a guy. IT wouldn't be because i saw him and was like omg he is sexy or something. It would b because his personality caught my attention first. I wouldn't turn someone completely down if he wasn't the most handsome thing ever, but i wouldn't like or feel right dating a guy i am not physically attracted to when i look at them. And for this whole thing with women who are completely blind. U can still feel. You don't have any preferences as to like body type? Like muscle mass, height, strength? nothing? i refuse to believe that. I find the tiniest things attractive Things that are completely up to a blind woman's judgment.

Post 50 by Voyager (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 12:57:12

The topic was beauty, and so my mind went instantly to things, not people.

Muscles are a sign of strength and possibly health, and obesity is not. It makes sense that people, wether blind or sighted, would equate healthy things with beauty. However I cannot feel things like hair or eye color, or touch someone all at once to get a complete view of them, including things like how they stand/walk. I thing the sighted get a more complete picture.

Post 51 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 14:41:15

Right that is what i was getting at though. You can tell if a guy is built, slender, if they have muscle or are obese. You can tell the size of their hands, or the sound of their voice. If they have broad shoulders. Things like that are also things that sighted girls notice that blind girls could notice too. And another thing. A blind girl could find eye color or hair color attractive if someone told them what color. For example a guy with like dark hair and eyes usually means like mysterious kind of elusive u know. Where as, if u think of light hair and light eyes, you may think pure or something. Colors can be associated with emotions or qualities. Not saying these would naturally fit every guy, but you have to think something when u think about things like that. I have a friend that is blind and she is attracted to certain guys based on their physical description. SHe knows what she likes and is aware of why and how she likes it.

Post 52 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 14:48:26

But, does beauty only have to do with the body of a human? To me, anything that gives pleasure to my senses and my mind and attitude are beautiful. This goes way past society's ideas about beauty, which mostly has to do with the influence of advertising anyhow. Yes, I love my pop culture but I don't take it as gospel truth, it's a diversion, something to keep you sane, but not something you're supposed to believe as reality. See, there's beauty in things like, least for me, the smell of a nice dark roasted coffee, or the taste of delicious food, or the sound of somebody you love laughing at some silly thing you said even if it was unoriginal. Music can be beautiful, and it's not just sweet-sounding orchestral music. Blues guitar played just so can be beautiful, or hearing music being played and improvised just for the love of music itself. Meeting people that you just click with right away, that's beautiful. Finding people who are kind to others by default, that's also beautiful.

Post 53 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 14:56:49

OH yes those things are definitely beautiful i was just feeding off of the topic which tended to be based off of human beauty. Now if we are talking about other things I find beautiful. The sound of the ocean waves lapping against the sand, the color of a sunset, the taste of chocolate, the sound of the rain, the sound of a flute, the smell of lilacs, having someone who understand your way of thinking, a new born babies cooing, a kittens purring, humming birds, the sound of a river flowing, the smell of pine needles, the snow blanketing everything, watching a childrens face light up when they finally undrstand something, innocent laughter, i could go on for days.

Post 54 by contradiction (aww, I always knew my opinion mattered to you!) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 14:57:24

exactly, keri.

exactly kayla. i'm blind, but i'd still like to know what a guy i was dating looked like, although i judge more on personality than looks. also, even being blind i have preference; i can picture guys' bodies and know what i like over things. i've been blind since birth, but honestly, it just takes some imagination. voice is also something that i go by, but anyways, i mean, i wear things that i know look good on me, but i also have to feel good in them. i won't try to make myself more appealing to someone; i am who i am, and noone will change that.

Post 55 by Voyager (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 07-Jan-2011 15:03:28

Godzilla-On-Toast wrote:
"But, does beauty only have to do with the body of a human? To me, anything that gives pleasure to my senses and my mind and attitude are beautiful."

Agreed. the title of the topic didn't specify a person's appearance as the type of beauty being discussed, and I do not immediately think of this as a default.

Post 56 by CrazyCapricorn (I lost my conscience! Anyone seen it?) on Monday, 10-Jan-2011 22:37:15

Hmm...Dannie, I'm pretty much the same way; even with a little bit of sight. I usually go by voice or ask for a description if I don't already know what they look like...but Like you, I judge more on personality than beauty, but beauty is always a bonis! xD

Post 57 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2011 15:28:19

There's only one physical characteristic I have a problem with. this wouldn't determine a relationship for me, but it would be something that would need to be discussed. And that is personal hygiene. I mean, I don't think people need to be squeaky clean with white, sparkly teeth all the time, but I don't want to be able to smell your body odor from across the room, if you know what I mean. Other than that, I really don't have any expectations.

Post 58 by CrazyCapricorn (I lost my conscience! Anyone seen it?) on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2011 21:00:18

Ug...Jess, I know exactly how you feel; I certainly wouldn'twant to have to put up with someone else's bad hygiene (especially a boyfriend...).

Post 59 by SadieTheNose (Newborn Zoner) on Thursday, 21-Apr-2011 1:31:08

As a sighted person, but more importantly as a visual artist, beauty is absolutely important, but the catch is, it's such an abstract concept, there is no standard definition for it. Artists learn to read and speak the hidden language of beauty that no one else can. What makes an individual beautiful is if their aesthetics align with their ideals--if their face, manners, modes of dress, etc., can be said to match up with who they are on the inside and what they want. Some days I look at my face in a mirror and hate what I see because it's not the standard of beauty set forth by the media, but then I realize I would not be myself without that face. My antisocial tendencies, my sleepless nights, my laugh lines, every bit of my personality is in that face. The same is true for everyone. Only change if you think what you look like does not represent who you are--for example, when I was in middle school I didn't care about clothes. I would either vaguely follow trends or wear whatever would cover my extra fat without caring if it looked good or if it was "me". Even my body was not the real me--I loathed being fat. My mother is fat, and no woman wants to turn into her mother. So what did I do? I took initiative and made some adjustments. I started dressing in colorful, patterned gypsy skirts, wore bows in my hair, everything I had been too afraid to wear before, and over time I lost weight. It felt so good. Sometimes you just need to mix things up, experiment, in order to find the look that fits you best.

Post 60 by Siriusly Severus (The ESTJ 1w9 3w4 6w7 The Taskmaste) on Friday, 18-Nov-2011 4:23:36

it's a adjective, that's what I think. it can be both good or bad, depends on the context can't say here and now taking the word out of context and saying, now, tell me what you think. it's completely out of line.